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Tuesday
I was so bored at the BoCC meeting when they were talking about sidewalks and laboring through the SUP approval process, I read my opponents' reports and even some of the TC ones. What sort of analysis are you looking for? Summary of income/expenses, biggest donors, what else?
There's some commentary on it here
"Storrow The Surprise Frontrunner In CHTC Fundraising""Elizabeth Friend Reporting"http://www.chapelboro.com/Storrow-The-Surprise-Frontrunner-In-CHTC-Fundr...
I hadn't realized Carl was voter owned prior to now. A qualifying contribution is now on its way!
headline
If you're surprised Lee is the fundraising frontrunner, you haven't been paying attention. He said at the start he wasn't doing VOE because he needed more $ to get his message out as a newcomer. He obviously has state-wide ties which gives a larger pool to draw from, and there are a fair # of small contributions (students?) as well. I'd say he's worked harder than anyone in this race -- will be interesting to see what he spends that $ on. Maybe a Matt C-worthy party!
Buncombe County
Lee has 27 listed contribs from Buncombe County addresses (Asheville and some smaller towns there) totalling $2100+. This is no surprise, Lee is an Asheville native (as is Jason Baker for that matter). Some are from his family, others from a veritable whose who of Buncombe County politicians.
you = WCHL, not Jake
Since Gerry commented, I was reading my post again. I can't change it now, but I want to be clear it is CHL that I'm accusing of a misleading headline, not Jake.
Also Interesting
I thought Lee's total number of donors really stood out. He had about 100 more contributors than anyone else.
But who are they
And do they live in the Triangle ? The data should be available since most were online or by check .
Chapel Hill election law
is some of the most stringent in the country and only requires full reporting of donations of 28 dollars or more. That being said, Lee has more Orange County donors than anyone else has total. I don't think there is any reason to be worried about who Lee's donors are.
Congrats on the hard work
Evan,First of all, congrats on the hard work and multiple donations , Y'all have rasied a lot of money . And it is hard work. I know .... Yes, I am familiar with the reporting requirements . I am surprised there have not been more comments about how much money has been raised outside of the Triangle . That is one reason why we have VOE because local people wanted the local campaigns to be funded by local citizens . By reporting laws, a candidate is required to collect the data but not report it if less 28 dollars . Why would not one disclose who and where their moneny is coming from ? There is operating within the letter of law and the intent of the law . One must assume that the same percentages of undisclosed donors are the same as disclosed donors . So, most of the dollars and contributors are not from local donors . In an act of good faith and honor, just disclose all the names and addresses, if it does not matter who contributed the money .
Anti VOE
Jon, I thought you were against VOE? Why would you site that program? You can't have it both ways. Lee is not taking part of the VOE program and stated that from the beginning of his campaign. AS I recall in the 2009 election you were one of the candidates who constantly made fun of the VOE program, laughing at folks that were taking part of it and those who supported us. I hope if you become a council member you learn to assume NOTHING. Assumtions may work in your mind, but are very dangerous when voting on important issues.
Are you for disclosure or not ?
Penny,Are you for disclosure or not ? I read your statement to say that you don't care where and/or from who a candidate receives their funds .
assuming again
Didn't say that Jon. What I said was that you can't have it both ways. Lee's campaign is doing what the law tells him to do. It's his choice to submit an aggregated report. I don't believe Lee is hiding anything. You are the one making assumptions.
All candidates should disclose from who and where
They received their donations . I think it matters and historically it has mattered to posters on OP . I look to Mayor Mark's campaign report as an example of how it should be done . He disclosed every name and address of every donor . Was it required by law, NO ! Another example of why Mark is a good leader and he is trusted ... I ask you again, do you believe in disclosure ? You failed to answer that direct question ...
missing my point
Jon, you are missing my point. It's not about what I think, it's about you sitting on both sides of the fence. You can't make fun of the VOE program, and then make requests that are in line with the VOE program. You can't have it both ways.As you know I was a VOE candidate so you can reply to the question using those principals.
Oversimplification
For the record, I'm not speaking for Jon, but the answer seems pretty doggone simple. It's very easy Penny . . . . one can absolutely support full disclosure of any and all campaign donations, while opposing the use of the public coffers to fund campaigns. Just because an oak is a tree doesn't make every tree an oak.
How Mark Kleinschmidt and I handled our disclosure in 2009
Both Mark and I reported every single contributor in our campaign finance reports including address and occupation no matter how small. The lowest dollar amount I reported was $10.00. In fact the Daily Tar Heel printed a list of all our donors on October 8th. Mark. of course, used Voter Owned Election funds and I did not but we both chose to report all our donors for the sake of transparency
as I did
You can check my report. Every person who gave me a donation is listed. That's right $5.00 up to $20.00, all listed.
Do you believe in disclosure ?
I believe all candidates for Chapel Hill Town Council should dislcose all donor information . I believe in an objective process where everyone is treated the same , equally and fairly . I believe that Lee has worked very hard and raised a lot of money . Congrats to him.I believe Lee will disclose that donor info in good faith in next 48 hours . Do you believe in disclosure ? YES OR NO ?
You just got my vote
As one Chapel Hill voter, transparency in government is very important. At the first Chapel Hill 2020 meeting (the only one I could attend), there was a sense that Chapel Hill is different in a way that distinguishes us from other places. Environment, transportation, diversity, yes these are paramount. Right up there for me, however, is also transparency (an issue I don't think will make it into a vision statement, but, oh well). As Jon points out, Mark K. sets the bar in the right place: regardless of legal requirements, he has a history of providing full disclosure when it comes to campaign contributions. Whether Jon approves or disapproves of VOE is an entirely separate matter and has no bearing on this issue, for me at least. And BTW, I think Jason Baker is a very strong candidate. His community campaign support and positions are impressive.
Transparentcy
If Jon DeHart is so transparent why did he participate in this closed meeting. It's that double standard again. You can't say one thing and do another. Just using the word transparent to capture votes doesn't work if you are indeed not transparent. http://orangepolitics.org/2011/10/homestead-park-citizens-organi
typo
transparency - sorry for the T
Glad to hear...
about your reports as it seems that you, too, went beyond the letter of the law. I can't speak to Jon's (or Matt's if I remember correctly) participation in a closed meeting as I only know what I read on this site. Maybe they knew it would be closed and maybe they didn't. Either way, the folks who called the meeting have a right to be heard by elected officials and by candidates. If you want to criticize these neighbors and their demands for transparency from the shelter, town and university, well, I think you have a point. I don't see these two examples (pro or against VOE and invited attendance to a meeting) as defining a candidate as being transparent or not. A candidate's choice to fully disclose donors is relevant. Candidates have a right to accept donations from Chapel Hill, Asheville or anywhere else. I want to know about it in a timely manner so I can make an informed choice at the polls. I certainly don't want an anonymous PAC, such as was responsible for the last minute uncoordinated (to use Mark's term) mailing in the last mayoral election, to operate in Chapel Hill. It's legal, but I'm hoping for more.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks
I believe that all candidates running for Chapel Hill Town Council should disclose from whom and where they receive their funds .
not a lady
I am not a Lady, I am a WOMAN and this conversation is over.
Well put
Good for you, Penny. Let's move on.
Storrow's donations
Evan, do you plan to release more data about Lee's contributors? It would be very helpful, and would be a good way to show his support for VOE principles since he's not participating in the program.
Yes
After the feedback we've gotten from folks on the site we have decided to release some additional information about our donors. Look for a blog post by Lee in the next day or so, we are confident it will answer the questions people have raised.
I spoke with Lee last night at the community forum
He assured me that all donors would be disclosed in the next day or so . I think his intentions were good, just a lack of experience . Should be easy to provide since he is required to collect all the data by law.
how do you know that?
Do you have inside information you're not sharing? Because from the report, you know the # of contributions, not contributors. You can make some assumptions because if an individual gives more than $50 total, he/she needs to be identified, but there could be 10 $5 contributions from the same person. That's a big difference from assuming 1 to 1.
Clarifying
James- I should have mentioned I am Lee's campaign manager and was involved in putting together the report. Also worth noting that when I speak about donor #'s I am referring to unique contributors.Sorry for any confusion
I for one am impressed
I am really impressed by Lee's ability to organize. I have heard some say his mom and dad helped quite a bit like it's a bad thing. BTW I do not know if that is true, and do not care. Mom and Dad should help when you are young. While I made a decision to not fund raise and pay for my election needs, I applaud Lee's ability to get so many people involved in helping him. I like many cannot wait to see how he spends the money. At 24 I would have thrown a huge party. I think Lee will be more responsible. Congrats Lee! I tell people about you all the time.
Really?
Lee has a small army of campaign volunteers. (I know - they knocked on my door, as well as thousands of others.) I have never seen or heard him or anyone else mention his parents. Conversely I can think of some (sucessful) candidates in their 50s who got campaign donations form their out-of-state parents and no-one thought that was even worth mentioning.Your comment seems like a backhanded way of digging at Lee's age, but he is older than Mark Chilton was when he was first elected to a very successful first term on the Chapel Hill Town Council in 1991 (then popularly re-elected in 1995). Lee easily has more experience working in the Chapel Hill community than some of the other candidates, including yourself as far as I can tell.Thank goodness there many twenty-somethings in Chapel Hill with a better work ethic and more community dedication than you say you had, Laney! ;-)
wow Ruby
All I was doing was congratulating him. I am really saddened that you would take a swipe at me for saying something nice about a fellow candidate. I meant what I said, no malice or backhandedness intended. Lee impresses me. I don't care about his age, he is more fit than some of the guys much older than me to hold the office. maybe if you knew me better you would understand my intent instead of assuming and lashing out. I felt that he was beingbullied by some others and wanted to voice my support for him, I hate bullying. Guess I did not do it in a way that you approve of.
agree with Laney
I agree with Laney. I saw his response as positive towards Lee.
Sensitive
If I'm a little sensitive on this issue, it's because I was a twenty-something candidate once myself. Anyone who read The Independent Weekly during the 1999 campaign can tell you how easy it is to act like you are giving positive attention to a candidate while actually reinforcing extremely negative messages to voters.I can't claim to know your intentions, Laney. But I think it would be much more appropriate (and complimentary, if that's what you're going for) to talk about Lee's experience, positions, skills, or articulateness.
because he asked
I gave to Lee's campaign because he invited me to a fundraiser in Carrboro. My only other contribs since leaving Chapel Hill allmost 30 years ago were to Jason Baker in '05 tho I was a grad student that year. I also gave to all 47 of Joe Herzenberg's campaigns
Reporting requirements?
If Oct 4 was a reporting date, why are there so many missing reports on the website? Is there a penalty if someone doesn't meet the deadline?I've heard many positive observations and reports on Lee. But I have to agree with Jon. If this community, as represented by it's elected officials, believes in VOE, then the principles that underlie VOE (especially transparency) should be expected of all candidates, whether they are accepting public funds or not. Expectations doesn't mean they have to be met, but setting high standards generally works.I imagine many of Lee's donors are students who live here in town even though they list their parents' home as their permanent residence. I think it was Jason, or some equally conscientious student, a few years back who kept his voter registration at his parents home because his vote carried more weight there. Sort of a dual citizenship.
no requirement for filing if under $1000
If you don't intend to raise or spend $1000, you don't have to file any detailed reports. It looks to me like Braxton is the only one whose form isn't on the site yet.
No reports from Jim W or Carl S
Have been posted to the SBOE website for CH Town Council .
Jim's report
Only those who raise money have to report. Jim didn't raise any funds 4 years ago and he isn't raising any this time either.